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Captain Sand Dune | 26th May 2005 01:45 |
Anyone who quotes Carlo Kopp as an authoritative source is gotta be angling for a bite:yuk:
Does this count as one?
aeros champ | 26th May 2005 01:50 |
Most of those who doubt Carlo's knowledge and recommendations usually have their head buried so far into the operational world that they fail to see the broader picture.
Carlo's opinions should be heeded by those in Defence as his arguments are well contructed and well informed.
kmagyoyo | 26th May 2005 02:25 |
Aeros champ
Are you saying that the Guys and Girls who operate at the sharp end of the ADF aren't qualified to comment on the very machinery they operate :confused:
gaunty | 26th May 2005 03:11 |
Cessnadude
Last I heard they were doing something just like that with the B52.
My question is why and on what evidence we changed tack and from out here apparently midstream when we (the Government and the people) had already been sold on, bought and were apparently embarked on refurb of the pig for service into 2020 as the most appropriate answer to our war arena.
The graphs seem to suggest that we (OZ defence establishment generally) were correct in the assessment of bang for bucks.
Was a question not a criticism.:rolleyes:
I don't suppose you have anything constructive to add or is the Phoenix permanently stuck in the ashes.?
aeros champ | 26th May 2005 04:37 |
kmaygoyoyoyo (whatever)
you guys are more than qualified to comment on the operations and tactical employment of your aircraft. But all too often you lack the big picture viewpoint in terms of strategic direction and aquisitions.
We have recently aquired a new airframe type here in the west which was originally opposed by most of the aircrew, it has however turned out to be a more profitable and wiser decision.
Gnadenburg | 26th May 2005 06:58 |
The F111 certainly appeases all the Menzies like Indo-phobes!
Was having a whiskey with an Indon Air Force bar owner recently and he told me their handful of Flankers are radarless & weaponless except for a cannon and grease pencil targeting system drawn on the canopy. Evidently their American made fighters have had unservicable radar for a while too.
I think a little bit of their procurment budget ends up funding unofficial Indonesian Officers' Messes in profitable locations like Bali.
Perhaps it is timely to dump the F111, reinforce our battalions and make the Orion the long range strike platform.
Army/Orion combo may not be glamourous, but a more efficient means of killing terrorists than F111's.
scrubed | 26th May 2005 09:44 |
I keep telling you: Cash isn't a problem. Just plug some of the leaks to the multitude of bludgers in our society and funding will not be a problem.
Take a few pollies for a ride. Even the left-wing, peace-nik, pot-smoking, appeasist Dermocrat f***s will wet their pants if taken for a hack/flick/zoom in a Pig. Then cash will flow.
Somebody mentioned Global Hawks a while back. In my frenzy to issue smartarsisms as fast as possible, I forgot to say:
As far as I'm aware, Australia has committed to purchase at least one, possibly 2 or 3 of these machines.
Gnads, don't forget Air Warfare Destroyers and possibly a Helo Carrier on the horizon for the puss*rs. The carrier will supplement the Manura and Kanimbla nicely as a platform for armed intervention (bullying) amongst the islands up north. Got to keep these feral JI-style fanatic mo********ers from grabbing a toe-hold in the impoverished lands they normally target.
AerosChamp - 133 Pilots. If you get scrubbed from Nav Course and you started out as a Nav, you could apply for Pilots Course but since most Navs have already been scrubbed from Pilots Course, this is unlikely to succeed.
OhForSure | 26th May 2005 12:57 |
I was under the assumption that the 2x Aircraft Carrier order was a forgone conclusion??? The RAN essentially saying they WILL get them... With the USAF keen on the VSTOL F-35, I reckon the RAN stand at least a good chance of 25 odd VSTOL F-35s if the carriers come... I read that the carriers would fit size wise between the UK carriers and the US (non-super) carriers. Anyone know what the go is here???
miltz (or whatever it was)... thanks for that info on the Wedgetail engine bulge... been wondering what those were for quite a while!
scrubed | 26th May 2005 15:38 |
Yr jerkin ya gherkin, mate, those carriers (I thought it was only one) will be K-Mart style - probably old flat-tops re-floated from the shallows of Guadalcanal, and fitted by the lowest bidder. They will be the size of the James Cook ferry but they will be better than the ones our "friends" to the north have.
That's IF the leftists and commies in the Senate don't block the funds. (Do they have enough pull these days????) I don't think it's a foregone conclusion, by any means, but welcome the acquisition if it happens.... anything to keep the pox-ridden puss*rs from molesting each other.
I can't see F-35 VSTOLs being part of the deal, no matter how hard the puss*rs beat their meat. Too pricey. And anyway the puss*rs have forgotten how to fly properly. They can only do swing-wing these days. They lost the abillity to think fast enough for real jets.
Anyway even with the Harrier Junk Jet getting an autoland system for Vertical landings, these new machines will be a button pressing exercise that will have even the A320 pilots feeling like master pioneer aviators. No more Maverick-style face-splatting landings.
Chronic Snoozer | 26th May 2005 17:18 |
Speaking of which....
Whats the latest official Initial Operational Capability date being touted in Defence circles for the JSF? Note, thats not when you get the first one, its when they're operational. Given the schedule blowout in the program so far, and mooted rises in project costs, any wagers on the accuracy of current projections? (and why am I not surprised by any of this?)
scrubed | 26th May 2005 21:49 |
I don't know. All I know is:
I'm pissed and
You're using big dowrds like:
Initial Operational Capability date
WTF..............
Captain Sand Dune | 26th May 2005 22:16 |
We have recently aquired a new airframe type here in the west which was originally opposed by most of the aircrew, it has however turned out to be a more profitable and wiser decision
Really..........do tell! And I assume the new type was a Carlo Kopp approved aquisition.:hmm:
kmagyoyo | 26th May 2005 23:07 |
I was unaware there was a world renowned Air Warfare centre in Jandakot (no the 'Tom Clancy' section of the public library doesn't count) :yuk:
Cougar | 26th May 2005 23:13 |
I am with Captain Sand dune. CK rears his head again... and the crowd bows down before him. What the?
Trash Hauler | 27th May 2005 01:14 |
Maybe it was an upgrade to the C182.................you know new engines and avionics.......................even a new build airframe!
Must be abject terror for the indons facing new equipment like that!
kmagyoyo | 27th May 2005 01:39 |
Nah, heard it was re-build C152 areobats. Going to dazzle the Indos with his Aeros sequence :E
Sunfish | 27th May 2005 03:14 |
There will be no rebuilding of the F111 for one overriding and very important reason.......
Who wants to be posted to Bankstown, Newcastle or Melbourne when you can be posted to the U.S.? All those lovely allowances and foriegn holidays! :O
Whizzwheel | 3rd Jun 2005 23:00 |
Why doesn't the RAAF buy some of those rear-firing aerial mines that I read about a while back - the US must have a few old ones lying around that could be fitted pretty easily? I hear they were very effective on the B-52.
Wouldn't that increase the pig's throw weight? Or does the fact that they go backwards mean that the TW is decreased?:confused:
Fox3snapshot | 4th Jun 2005 18:07 |
Some facts of old.....
Statistically the most successful strike fighter in Desert Storm was the F111, with no loss to enemy fire in the highest density of air defence outside of central Europe. The F111F was the backbone of the coalition precision bombing fleet, outnumbering all other types equipped with laser designating equipment. This success is attributed to its combination of range, payload and speed.
:ok:
Yippee Ki Yi Yay!
scrubed | 4th Jun 2005 20:12 |
Yawn.............. :zzz:
That's old news.
What's it done for us lately? I say use them before the things run out of warranty. Someone's been making noise up to the north lately and needs a kicking to remind them who's boss.
This is why we bought them.
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